Scaffolders Study Group

phil mccree

they are a couple of years old, were issued by citb for the advanced course, which as far as i am aware doesnt change too much, you are welcome too have copies mate,
 
Garry you have really started something here on this forum,its obvious you have a mass of knowledge and experience on scaffolding,its good to know for all the members of this forum that they are only a click away from sound advice if its needed.Only the most ignorant think that they cant improve,we all can in many ways i.e practicly,organisation,and management of safe work.Credit to you mate its pretty much obvious that certification and the management of issuing it is the way forward just got to find a way that it is regulated by competent people..knowledge is the bomb.
 
Hi 21s
If you go to the study group, and Access 'Lifelong learning' there is some info on there mate.
Feel free to ask for more.
Regards
Paddy
 
Frank

Sorry to hear there is a down turn in work in you area, however, this may be the time to get going with the Study Books.

I attended a NEBOSH night School in1997---I developed an interest in OH&S during my Offshore Union days and recognised the importance of developing the Subject, a good grounding in OS&H combined with Practical and Theoretical experience in one's chosen Field ( in my case it is Scaffolding and Rigging ) gives one a level of credibility in the eyes of peer group members and OH&S Practitioners in General.

There are a few Members ( millwall in particular ) who have expressed wish to embark and develop their interest in the esoteric World of OH&S.

May I suggest that you direct further communiques partaking to your future Studies to the Scaffolders Study Group ( find it in the drop down on the left hand side under Social Groups ) Paddy Carr and I shall do our best to help with any Tutorials and Materials.

Garry...

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Paddy M8

Aye, Paddy yi beat me ti the punch there. LOL;)

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Daz M8 yer geein mi a reed face :embarrass:, Im only a very small cog in a big wheel, every one on this Forum has something to contribute---there is a solid base of Seasoned Veterans on this Forum who have the Practical Experience, Theoretical Knowledge and Collated Valuable Data pertaining to our Industry. Scaffolders are a bread on their own---a nomadic, mercenary no nonsense band of Men who do not suffer fools lightly---although my advancing years have restricted my Steel Surfing activities and I now concentrate on desk jockeying---I am still a hairy assed Scaff at hart and proud of it.

Scaff rule ya Bass, was the cry ;)

Thanks for that daz, millwall.

Fraternal regards

Garry...
 
looks like we'll aw need to chip in to buy Garry his own server, he keeps gettin aw these compliments and he'll never fit his heid through the internet bandwidth lol.

Its just good to get info and opinions on advancement from more experienced scaffs for a change, a little bit of guidance can take an open mind a long way
 
Steve

I have been very fortunate---in that I have worked with the cream of the auld school, it is to the credit of the veteran Scaffs, that I now stand a Competent and Capable Scaff ( not some CITB course )---I owe every thing I know to Scaffolders of a Higher Order than I. I am merely passing that knowledge on. As an auld Erector once told me it disni matter how lang yiv been in the game " aye Ladie, yer only as good as yer last job " that stayed with me and Iv never been complacent---there's always some one waiting in the wings ready to give you a kick in the ba'z should you dip your standards ( excuse the pun ). Steve you know the value of the auld Guard eh, yer Da. ;)

Garry...
 
Steve

Aye, life long learning, yer Da's right, we all learn something new every day, its the way we apply it...
 
learning can be fun

Aye lads

I for one hated school and everything it stood for the 3Rs and all that malarkey was a waste of football time in my eyes.

Now, however, nearly 50 cant get enough of courses,love them in a friendly environment with likewise passionate, Union reps or Scaffs, i even have a 3 COURSE lunch ha,ha.

Honestly learning can be fun, from 'Skills for life' up to Dip courses,from Part 1 A scaffolding up to Advanced Scaffolder, you only get out of a course what you put in, it's up to you if you want to succeed and give it your 'best shot' or swan about and bluff it. We have all seen these guys "Iv'e been there,done that and got the T-shirt". So 'Haway the lads' pop into the 'Study group' and register your interests.

Paddy
 
i started 14 years ago and had the privilage to work with men at 65 and 70 , they were the cream of the crop and thats what made me want to work at the game ,,,,, then i didnt get tools untill i laboured for a year and unfortunately tube and fittin was on its way out cos kwik stage was introduced by ironicaly the firm that is the last firm using tube and clip over here ,, Walsh Scaffolding ,,,, good guys three brothers run the firm ,, they use ready lock ive worked for them twice , if one of the bros hadnt of taken a dislike to me id still be there ,, but sure thats life ,,, any of you guys used ready lock ,, great job for hangers ?????????????:)
 
Frank

Aye ready lock, the dogs ******** for goal post hangers, keeps the square, the increase of Firms using Prefabricated Modular Systems over the years nearly killed of T&F---however, T&F has now become a Specialisim the sad thing is that, the majority of the Young Scaffs has never had the opportunity to Experiance T&F---when the uninitiated are faced with a Special Structure in Tube and Fittings theta are bamboozled :eek:---to save face they have a go and thats when things can go drastically wrong. :cry:

Garry...
 
the thing that worries me the most ids the trend of part one and two assholes that have a years experience and are full qualified but couldnt tell you that havin a warped board on yer lift when ur on price isnt a dangerous thing ,,, probably the most dangerous thing that i experienced over the years !!!!! i think when i had to labour for a year before i got my tools and even themn the aul lads wouldnt let me top up past a thirteen ft was the best way and shows these courses to be nothing but a money makin scheme !!!!
 
design

Ah success good idea about design course shame you couldnt get it up and running been looking for a course for some time now all i could find was design appreciation (reading drawings most of us can do that)with tg20 design is even more prelevant even little jobs requiring design if they exceed weight allowances.Irun a small firm and factoring design costs into estimates can be a problem ,got a mate who is a structural engineer but no scaffold design experience when we bang heads we can come up with something,id rather be able to do it myself though keep it in house are there any designers out there how did you get to be qualified can us scaffs step up willing to put the work in .What are the legalities to say who is capable of producing a competent drawing. By the way gary just to swell your head a tad more -great site maybe some ideas from the coal face can be put into practice hail oh great scaff.

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21s said:
the thing that worries me the most ids the trend of part one and two assholes that have a years experience and are full qualified but couldnt tell you that havin a warped board on yer lift when ur on price isnt a dangerous thing ,,, probably the most dangerous thing that i experienced over the years !!!!! i think when i had to labour for a year before i got my tools and even themn the aul lads wouldnt let me top up past a thirteen ft was the best way and shows these courses to be nothing but a money makin scheme !!!!
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totally agree experience is king in this trade they should consider this when designing courses 20 odd years having to do part 1

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Ah success good idea about design course shame you couldnt get it up and running been looking for a course for some time now all i could find was design appreciation (reading drawings most of us can do that)with tg20 design is even more prelevant even little jobs requiring design if they exceed weight allowances.Irun a small firm and factoring design costs into estimates can be a problem ,got a mate who is a structural engineer but no scaffold design experience when we bang heads we can come up with something,id rather be able to do it myself though keep it in house are there any designers out there how did you get to be qualified can us scaffs step up willing to put the work in .What are the legalities to say who is capable of producing a competent drawing. By the way gary just to swell your head a tad more -great site maybe some ideas from the coal face can be put into practice hail oh great scaff.
 
i worked for a firm called Walsh Advanced Scaffolding here in belfast ,,, Cairan is one of the brothers that owns the firm , drop him a line and ask about a system he has on the computer ,, he a lovely fella and will help you out no problem ,, they are a small firm too ,, say big frank gave you his number 07703194561 all the best from the emerald isle
 
Frank

Your spot on wi the money making schemes---I started with SGB on the deck and had six years under mi belt before Citb came into being in 78.

The Training I got with SGB was great, even though the Training methods were strict ( a wee slap or a boot in the ass was not uncommon if yi gave the Chargi lip ).

On a more serious note, very little has changed in the techniques required to erect a Scaffold since SGB first used 2 inch water pipes to erect Scaffolds.
Furthermore, the CITB Course Content ( Scaffold Structures ) has barley move forward since 1978---therefore is there room for improvement ?.

Garry...
 
the point i would be makin is that the course is alot more use when you have had a little experience ,,,, if a kid labourered for a year and then was allowed to start a recognised course then they woud have it sussed ,, i think that the gap between the real scaffolders and the guys that organised these courses was vast in 1979 ,,, maybe im wrong ,, but thats my way of thinkin!!!!
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millwall said:
they are a couple of years old, were issued by citb for the advanced course, which as far as i am aware doesnt change too much, you are welcome too have copies mate,
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Hey Mate, it's better than the one's I've got. My Advanced training notes say that the 'single' top hand rail has to be a maximum of 740mm gap to the toe board. Don't think I can get away with that, even out here, lol..!!!

When I get home mate I'll contact you and obviously return the favor with any H&S paraphernalia I can send your way.

Cheers,
Phil.
 
know what yuo mean i was in the kick up the arse whack round the head school of scaffolding soon learned got my head down and drunk all the info i could way i see it did my apprentiship the hard way gotta do it the modern way now this one is worst of the 2

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cheers 21 s will give him a try
 
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