phil, going back to your post about only the quality scaffs stay in work, an can find work, that is the biggest load of b ull s hit i have ever read!!! you know, an every other scaff knows its all about who you know not how good a scaf you are. example, if a scaff rings up a firm an no1 has heard his name before etc there havnt got a hope in hells chance of getting in! they dont know wether he a good scaff or not coz hes never had a chance to step foot on there site, never mind prove himself!!!! an whos gets all ths starts??? ths supervisors little nephew jimmy or the gaffers son whos been scaffolding 6months!!! thats the way it is an thats the way it will aways be! not saying theres anything wrong with that because you always look after your own 1st! i know loads of good scaffs who have lost jobs etc an been given numbers to ring, but if they dont know u, u dont get in!! been a quality scaff means nothing about getting into work on the good sites!