Finer your bang on with the comment about simian risk and it just so happens that the MD of simian is one of the guys who co wrote SG 4:05 for the NASC its all about the doe for them where do you think i did my supervisor card ??? AT SIMIAN RISK with i might add the lad who fronts all the training for the NASC i asked him what he though of the course and he said it was a good course load of bollox there was only one day in 5 where it actually covered scaffolding the rest was employment law marketing and the other 2 days were that good i cant even remember them ...ha