If you put a scaffold up without a drawing and the builders work on it and it don't fall over or collapse on itself did it need a drawing in the first place...
Hardly the same but if thats the case i have been avoiding traffic on the m25 for 28 years and im'e just about to put my trusty old blindfold on again now...If you walk across the M25 with your eyes closed today and dont get hit by a car does that mean its safe to do it again tomorrow?:embarrest:
Hardly the same but if thats the case i have been avoiding traffic on the m25 for 28 years and im'e just about to put my trusty old blindfold on again now...
If you put a scaffold up without a drawing and the builders work on it and it don't fall over or collapse on itself did it need a drawing in the first place...
Its getting to the point now that any scaffolding job no matter how straight forward will have to have a site specific drawing and calcs, this is then in the hands of the design engineer who under the present climate will have a backlog as long as your arm, the question im getting at is will the customer wait or go to some outfit that does`nt give a monkeys about the rules, if so the good law abiding company loses yet another paying job to the back street hustler.
some outfit that does`nt give a monkeys about the rules, if so the good law abiding company loses yet another paying job to the back street hustler.
There will of course be the back street scaff who will break the rules but then he has always been there.
Alan
yep...that is when system will take over as it conforms to a pre-disign as soon as you put it together. Wonderful news........
With the greatest of respect to both GM and Alan , the general attitude towards the small scaffold firms on this forum seems to be a very negative one , is that the way all big outfits view us " rule breakers " ? .
I could understand the bad vibes if we were taking work away from the big firms , but , you have absolutely no interest in winning 95% of the work we are doing as it is too small and of little value and likewise , we have no interest or capacity to even contemplate tendering for 95% of your contracts .
Just because we don`t have multi million ££ turnovers and in house designers etc etc. does not make us " hustlers , cowboys , slashers , chancers or whatever your favoured term for us is .
Usually,you only need a drawing if you dont know what your doing.
Well put Topscaff
Usually,you only need a drawing if you dont know what your doing.
Well put Topscaff
Morning Topscaff
there was no offence intended and the statements made by both GM and I did not indicate that ALL small firms are wrong in their approach.
My apologies if you think i was slating all the small companies this is not the case, i know plenty of small to medium firms who follow all the procedures and erect very tidy jobs [a lot of them better than the big boys], i also know quite a few back street firms who should not be left alone with a scaffold spanner.
I was in london at the weekend and as usual their was loads of jobs up all over town BUT cosidering all scaffolds are supposed to erected in exactly the same design format (standard spacings,lift heights,stupid tie designs and all that) i know what I'me lookin at and I did'nt see 2 jobs that looked as if this tg thingy had been implemented.Trad had a couple of gantrys that looked so over engineered compared to others round the corner but each job was still doing relatively the same job...providing a safe working platform. My only question to meself was who was right and who was wrong...none looked like they had been erected out of the book but all were standing and doing the same job...this industrys gone mad...Thanks for the replies
No offence taken at all , i was just trying to get the general perspective of the masses with regards to the small firms.
I was born in to the trade myself and and have spent the last 23 yrs ( and more than half of my school days before this ) working for and now half running the same small firm , I have seen many comments in the past made by other members that basically suggest that small firm = cowboys and thought i would ask the question.