Reading design drawings.

That is what we are saying!!

You know can't change from the drawing. If it show a standard on a drain cover then you have to send the drawing back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are now supposed to be trained to work to the drawing not the real world.


Ragscaff
 
gone silly hasnt it , designers making a packet
 
scaffy said:
gone silly hasnt it , designers making a packet
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Some of the designers are pig sick of it though - the better ones will tell you they are fed up having to do drawings for a bog standard independent, just because the tie detail is ever so slightly different to TG20 :amazed:

I've never been a scaffolder (too much like hard work :toung:), but have spent a lot of time working with various engineers over the years. Some are good, some are brilliant - but some are bloody useless - how can I price a temporary roof when the beamed cantilever it's supported off isn't shown in detail ? :mad:

I think it's generally true that those who've been on the tools produce better, more workable designs but I've found more often than not something will crop up on site that requires a change to the drawing :blink:
 
we do a lot for thames water over plants tanks power rooms ect , everytime these are drawn we have to adapt the drawings as never correct , some are way out , tg20 is well confusing - i did attempt to read it but i didnt have a degree in engineering and structural analysis
scaffolding is hard work thats why ive been in office 8 years and have a beer gut
 
Just been directed to this thread from a fellow scaff,because i was asking whether anydody knew where i could maybe do a course or training in order to get to know how to read drawings.Did my advanced at bircham in 1991 and scaffold erection was text book stuff with simplified drawings to match (still didnt really understand them if truth be know)Hasnt really mattered much because been working on the street,but now am on sites = drawing work.Help me fellow scaffs,am more than willing to pay for a course and am keen to learn but where do I go.Any advice would be greatly appreciated, cheers guys
 
The drawings that ive worked to are quite easy to understand, braces are shown as dotted lines and your given the maxium lift height and bay sizes.
 
I can highly recommend Alwyn Richards. Peter Pallett is also very good for design appreciation courses.

We do not charge additional for minor revisions to drawings. A decent design brief and thorough site survey should eliminate the chances of silly things like uprights being on top of drains, infront of doorways etc

As an engineer, if I am given an up to date drawing of the building and have done a site survey id say its my responsiblity that the design is safe and practicle for use.

Very often however I'm just asked to do a design last minute without the latest drawings or the time to conduct a site survey
 
converting .

Hi thur,
I Wish to know the equivalence of stored scaffolding materials weight to it's volume.
* What volume of scaffold can i mount with 24 Tonnes of complete scaffolding materials.
 
Training should be given to all scaffolders that are asked to erect scaffold to design drawings. Any supervisor worth his salt will spend the first few hours with the lads on the morning they commence these type of scaffolds to ensure the lads are comfortable with the works. This would inturn help and teach the scaffs how to understand and read drawings. Also a good sign is a scaffolder with his own scale ruler.
 
I always go through the drawings with the leading hand prior to it being erected,to make sure he knows and understands it,then expensive cock up's can be avoided(we hope).I also preview the drawing via computer with the designer,then you can tweak it to make it workable,using this method you get your input from the scaffolders point of view and less drama's.:):bigsmile:
 
I usually have the Drawings snatched off me, as soon as i get them.
I have a nasty habit of eating the paper, you see... :embarrest:
 
come on lads i thought this was scaffolders on here, are you telling me that there are men who say they are scaffs and cant read a design drawing. were did they get there cards when i started you spent 1 year on the ground then went to part one then one year as a number 2 then went for part two if the charge hand said you were good.with in that time i had learnt to read drawings use friction clamps erect shoring scaffolds before going for part 3 so in in my opinion they are not real scaffs.
 
Honestly... Ive only met a handful of Scaffolders, who can read a Design Drawing - Loads have Advanced, who cant read a drawing.
Theres even been some - With Part 2 tickets who CANT tie a tube off on a rope and wheel...

Thats the world we live in nowadays... Too much time taking a back seat and taking the easy money, while others carry them.

Me? - Id be ashamed of myself if i couldn't read a drawing, let alone tie a tube off. :eek:h:
 
Sorry guys,
most of the comments on here say more about the scaff than the engineer.
Part of your role as a scaffolder is to be able to read and understand drawings. Most Engineers do not mind your critique they will accept your input and knowledge, provided you are correct.
You need to strive to improve yourselves as engineers have strove to better their lot.
When Scaffolders were out there earning 200 a day training, engineers were earning 30 a day and giving up their evenings to learn a trade.
In todays world of construction the Engineer is invariably asked to produce an engineered drawing without adequate information and without seeing the site but never the less the drawing is wanted today.
Yes there are bad designers in the industry as are there bad scaffolders and bad managers etc. this however is born from an industry that has driven many of the better engineers and scaffolders etc to leave the industry, following years of poor conditions.

In the 70's & 80's SGB had a full team of Engineers around 35 from memory but they became a training ground for the other companies who would just poach the Engineers as and when they wanted hence SGB stopped training Engineers. It was at the same time that SGB stopped running training courses for Scaffolders in the reading of drawings.

Here we are today and the value of a good Engineer is apparent, as with all these things TOO LATE!!

As you sow so shall yep reap!

If you want to get better at what you do you may need to contribute, you help your Engineer to be better he will help you.

regards
Alan
 
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My guys are in the process of erecting a suspended scaffold on a PR.....80m into it and all the supports are to the drawing in the same position as a pipe.............yes, dismantle and start again...........engineers need to be on site more or let scaffs design the scaffold and they add the calculations...........like the good old days......me dar told me that :)
 
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