now lads any chance you can produce a postal form for us old fashioned types ,i have filled out the first page on screen name ,e mail,password etc but it then goes onto card or pay pal payments which i dont use . I know you have a address to post joining fees but think it would be better with a membership form instead of scribbled down on paper along with a cheque also couldnt reply to your links maybe my ltd computer skills see what you can do for us stick in the muds keep up the good work