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    Default management document bs5975

    I have recently been told that there was a document covering the designs for Bs 5975 on the forum - or the forum created one does anyone have the document or can send me a link to the document

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    There’s a link to it on scaffmag. It’s the temporary works forum

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    When it was brought out in 1982 BS5975 was an easy to use guide to designing and erecting falsework. BS5973 (1993) was the companion book for scaffolding, again easy to use for designing and erecting scaffolding. BS5973 was withdrawn to suit the Eurocode drive and replaced by EN12811-1 which was much appreciated by academics and researchers with PhD level education but pretty much useless to everyone else. That led to TG20 being put together by NASC to get back to something that was more useful to the average designer. BS5975 escaped being withdrawn but did change from 2008 to 2011 from being 125 pages of generally useful information to 215 pages. The increase was in every section but the bit on loads and designs went from 37 pages to 69 pages and a big section of about 15 pages went into procedures that had previously been summarised in 4 pages. The latest version of BS5975 is 250 pages.

    Twf have produced a 'complementary' document to explain what all the words in the procedures part of BS5975 actually mean. Most of this is aimed at managers in construction organisations who, despite the idea of a design brief being suggested in the Bragg report of 1975 and formalised in BS5975 in 1996 have still not managed to understand how to produce a design brief. A very small number have but they are really the exception. I doubt that adding more documents for them to read will change this for the good.

    Download the latest guide if you have time to read it but it is no more clear enough about what constitutes an acceptable design than the H & S act is and so every organisation will have its own idea of what they need. If you want to pick up what EN12811-1 requires in the way of calculations, follow section 6 word by word and make sure that the calculations have addressed every line. At least then you will be basing the calculations on the base authoritative document even if it has no legal status.

    Sorry about that rant - don't start me on risk analyses!!
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    Thanks TG6 - that was very useful - can you carry on with the risk analysis - what would this need to entail

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    Quote Originally Posted by outward bound View Post
    Thanks TG6 - that was very useful - can you carry on with the risk analysis - what would this need to entail
    Sorry, I may have worded that a bit badly.
    Risk analysis is something I learnt when I first started doing structural design in a contractor's design office, way before RAMS was ever thought about. Everything that nowadays passes as a RA in a RAMS or on a designer's drawing is, in my opinion, a waste of ink & paper because it is part of the box ticking culture that threatens to overwhelm our industry. I have a big problem with the current risk analysis/assessment which is usually done by and for people who have little or no understanding of what they are doing and which detracts from making sure that work is carried out safely on site.

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    Ive just pm ypu if the message goes through been that long since i used this site lol

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