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Hi people of been working for a scaffold firm for about 7 month I don't think they will put me through my part 1. am I able to book it my self as I have money and how difficult is the course I have about 3 months experience as second fixer

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Thanks bud I could have asked lads at work about the part1 course but need honest advice could you help
 
7 months isn't exactly a long time to wait. If you insist on paying for it yourself, then go for it. Be prepared to earn it though. If you have 7 months experience turning the spanner, you will enjoy it and no doubt be able to take a bit from the theory side of things that will hopefully cover the reasons we do what we do, as opposed to just doing what you are told.

Good luck.
 
Ask your employer to put you through its government funded don't be silly and spend all your own hard earnt money to benefit your boss !
 
I think you need to be made aware of the new citb recognised timescales coming into force in april
Minimum scaffold labour 2years
Minimum trainee scaffolder b4 you can progress to basic a further 2 years
Minimum basic scaffolder b4 you can proress to advanced a further 5years

A new nvq level 4 classification of advanced scaffold rigger on a platinum coloured card will be introduced by 2020 where an advanced card will have been held for a minimum of 10 years plus additional citb qualification of ASI / SMSTS/Harness inspector & tie test inspectors tckt & 1st aid- this will be concidered a higher qualification than a black supervisors tckt & will have a 3 yearly renewal programme of a 3 day classroom based course.
 
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So will there be new guidelines set out for apprenticeships and timescale too ?
 
If that's true I'd better get booking anyone else heard the same thing?
 
Go for the part 1 mate, just completed mine there was labouring for 6month previous, now in a squad, well worth it
 
Yes. With the recent changes the number is about to rise dramatically. Shouldn't be a problem to anyone who genuinely has the required spanner experience though.
 
Has anyone faild a part1 course

Yes. With the recent changes the number is about to rise dramatically. Shouldn't be a problem to anyone who genuinely has the required spanner experience though.

The course is aimed for ppl that have minimum to Nil spanner experience and the whole purpose of the course is to learn so you can't fail in theory and if you do it's down to the instructors that are " teaching " you imo

It's the test at the end but most of it should be drummed into you or covered in the course so I wouldn't worry

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I think you need to be made aware of the new citb recognised timescales coming into force in april
Minimum scaffold labour 2years
Minimum trainee scaffolder b4 you can progress to basic a further 2 years
Minimum basic scaffolder b4 you can proress to advanced a further 5years

A new nvq level 4 classification of advanced scaffold rigger on a platinum coloured card will be introduced by 2020 where an advanced card will have been held for a minimum of 10 years plus additional citb qualification of ASI / SMSTS/Harness inspector & tie test inspectors tckt & 1st aid- this will be concidered a higher qualification than a black supervisors tckt & will have a 3 yearly renewal programme of a 3 day classroom based course.

The black card is level 6 nvq a degree level qualification same as the nebosh diploma
 
Sorry Bobby, these courses are aimed at a minimum of 6 months experience. Admittedly, not a lot, but enough time to have already worked out how to put up a 2 bay independent. It's also enough time to allow the instructor to spend more time to explain in detail how certain structures are supposed to be assembled, instead of having to teach delegates how to hold and operate a spanner without hurting themselves or anyone else around them.
 
Hello Fenland.
I worked as an instructor at Erith from 2005 - 2012
To answer your questions

1st Q > am I able to book it my self as I have money A Yes,,,the college only worries about getting the money........ and not who pays the fee.

2nd Q > and how difficult is the course A It is a easy as breathing....

Remember There is no assessment in a part 1 so you can not fail. As you are not being assessed, only trained....that said

At Erith the lads on part 1 courses are allowed to throw fittings down from the scaffold directly into the fitting bin that gets wheeled into place with a pump truck under the scaffold
Even if you take a couple of days off most of the instructors don't give a toss as they are only interested in maintaining a good achievement rate for the centre.
There is a written test at the end and if you fail it, I know that most of the instructors at Erith will tell you what to write down, just to make sure you pass as they just want to go home themselves. Don't forget the sooner you all pass and leave, the sooner they get to go home as well as they only work to 12:00 on the Friday.

One instructor at Erith Used to show porno movies through his computer on to a big screen in the classroom for the lads on his part 1...or so some of the lads that came back for the part 2 informed me.....

I even had to watch a lad pass a part 2 that could not base out a 2 x 2 tower on his own.. During the assessment,.... he had standards attached to both the inside and the outside of the same ledger and transoms below the ledger at one end and above it at the other. He admitted that he had never worked with tube and fittings, as he only worked with Layher material on site. But passed all the same.

When he returned to the centre for the final assessment he was allowed to go home in the morning. As he had a conflict with a member of NCC staff.
Still the report that was submitted to the NASC stated that he had been witnessed erecting & dismantling a cantilever and pavement gantry and completed his professional discussion with an assessor about the information he had submitted in his portfolio...all this was completed by 10:00am, not bad when the final assessment began at 8:00am that same morning, and the instructor in question had also been conducting a Youth part 2 youth course at the same time................ so I would not worry too much if I was you. I suspect you will be just fine unless you are hoping for a genuine training program where you will learn something.
This is why I resigned....it is a joke
 
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From the 1st of February 2015 on a part 1 course second week (day 10) the learner must complete a skills match (erect and dismantle a complete 1 lift tower fully boarded with handrail and toe boards and ladder) this a fail or pass assessment. ( The Failer rate stands at 30 plus so far which i think is a good thing for the industry)
From August 2015 to attend a part 1 course you must have attended a COTS course 6 months prior minimum.
 
From the 1st of February 2015 on a part 1 course second week (day 10) the learner must complete a skills match (erect and dismantle a complete 1 lift tower fully boarded with handrail and toe boards and ladder) this a fail or pass assessment. ( The Failer rate stands at 30 plus so far which i think is a good thing for the industry)
From August 2015 to attend a part 1 course you must have attended a COTS course 6 months prior minimum.

Hi Instructor...
Its all well and good having an assessment in the second week of a part one, saying the candidate has to erect a one lift tower as a pass or fail assessment, but when errors are ignored or the candidate is coached to the point of being instructed to put right his faults then I fail to see it's worth...again I was told I had to ask the candidate to Identify his fault and if he pointed it out, that was acceptable,
I forget how many times I see sway braces attached with singles to a transom, and the learner taken by the instructor and stood in front of the fault and told to look for the error......and then have the job signed off as a good-un and the lad achieving a pass.......
Scaffolding Instructors at NCC Erith face being suspended pending an investigation if the learner makes an official complaint about them and says " they felt bullied by the instructor"........And guess what they are advised to do by members of the collage staff should an instructor with enough balls or morals fail a learner..... ??
 
i can only speak for myself and would have no problem failing someone who did not meet the assessment criteria as set out by CISRS on a part 1.
The new CAP 609 book is due out September.
I take your points and have seen it with my own eyes with some training providers.
 
Instructor, can you tell me exactly what happens should an individual fail their assessment? Do they need to resit the entire course or do they just resit the assessment?
 
Sorry Bobby, these courses are aimed at a minimum of 6 months experience. Admittedly, not a lot, but enough time to have already worked out how to put up a 2 bay independent. It's also enough time to allow the instructor to spend more time to explain in detail how certain structures are supposed to be assembled, instead of having to teach delegates how to hold and operate a spanner without hurting themselves or anyone else around them.

That's 6 months labouring experience mate with a labourers card you can't get on the scaffold therefore you will have limited experience

Welcome back instructor hope arron is doing well mate
 
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