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alright lads, on new builds how many weeks do you give until you start charging hire, and is it the same for extensions
 
I thought they hired it from day 1, if they want the job for 8 weeks say then they pay hire for 8 weeks at the set agreed rate and if the job runs over it is then charged at an additional hire rate.
 
Not quite Den you always give so many weeks free hire or price the job on say 30 weeks hire then xtra hire
 
Spot on wiv phil but tbh if its a regular customer then vary rarely do we charge them especially if theyre good payers but if not then prob about 5% of total contract price/or whats standing per week
 
alright lads, on new builds how many weeks do you give until you start charging hire, and is it the same for extensions
Its really up to the person doing the building to let you know what duration they need the scaffolding for. A lot of companies will have a standard four week hire rate unless told different. Bigger companies will usually ask the question, a new build takes around 12-16 weeks on average, an extension depends on how busy the builder usually is. When you send out your quote you have to make it clear straight away that the hire duration is for 4 weeks or whatever ,and the cost thereafter every week for the extra hire. If you do it like that you wont have a problem. If you're relying on extra hire to make a profit you're selling your services too cheaply. As the guys above have written, if the customer is a good one, you wouldn't usually charge any extra hire for their continued loyalty.

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I thought they hired it from day 1, if they want the job for 8 weeks say then they pay hire for 8 weeks at the set agreed rate and if the job runs over it is then charged at an additional hire rate.
Most programs used for estimating, calculate the hire in with the cost to erect etc, that's why you need to know the duration of the hire from the outset as this builds the initial hire into the quote for 8 weeks. You can set the hire as a percentage of materials used, or a percentage of the labour rate, or include it in the labour rate. A good rule of thumb for estimating one off jobs used to be the labour rate to erect and strike x three times. Once for labour , once for overheads ( yard rent , transport etc) and once for profit. Its not been that easy lately though... So if it takes three men 1 day to erect at £120 each = £360 and three men 1/2 a day to strike = £180 add them up and then multiply that by three this gives the cost toe erect and strike = £540 then multiply £540 x three = £1620 and you will make a decent profit ( hopefully) This is the basis Palmers worked on when I was there, we always strived to achieve a 33% labour rate which wasn't easy with some of the scaffs !!!!
 
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Its really up to the person doing the building to let you know what duration they need the scaffolding for. A lot of companies will have a standard four week hire rate unless told different. Bigger companies will usually ask the question, a new build takes around 12-16 weeks on average, an extension depends on how busy the builder usually is. When you send out your quote you have to make it clear straight away that the hire duration is for 4 weeks or whatever ,and the cost thereafter every week for the extra hire. If you do it like that you wont have a problem. If you're relying on extra hire to make a profit you're selling your services too cheaply. As the guys above have written, if the customer is a good one, you wouldn't usually charge any extra hire for their continued loyalty.

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Most programs used for estimating, calculate the hire in with the cost to erect etc, that's why you need to know the duration of the hire from the outset as this builds the initial hire into the quote for 8 weeks. You can set the hire as a percentage of materials used, or a percentage of the labour rate, or include it in the labour rate. A good rule of thumb for estimating one off jobs used to be the labour rate to erect and strike x three times. Once for labour , once for overheads ( yard rent , transport etc) and once for profit. Its not been that easy lately though... So if it takes three men 1 day to erect at £120 each = £360 and three men 1/2 a day to strike = £180 add them up and then multiply that by three this gives the cost toe erect and strike = £540 then multiply £540 x three = £1620 and you will make a decent profit ( hopefully) This is the basis Palmers worked on when I was there, we always strived to achieve a 33% labour rate which wasn't easy with some of the scaffs !!!!

Roughly the same as 100 linear metres then.:amuse:
 
Good luck trying to get extra hire on new builds , most of the big boys want " all risk " price now
 
On a new build we give 12 weeks on extensions we give 4 only if someone say it is going to be 6 months or what every we will give them a set price good pays or not people take the p we did not charge extra hire but you have to has it gets them to get the job done as they do not like the extra hire bit and all you end up doing is buying more gear, we have got a job up at the min and we know its up for a year so we priced it for that but hopefully it will go over as the extra hire is a nice little number.
 
We have one up in a warehouse where work that's been up for nearly three years !
 
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