Over the top?

Just started a new site in Manchester,tube and fittings. everything done to drawings.Brickies lifts, progressive.Loading bay to take pack of brick or block plus tub of mortar;15 standards,12 transoms, locking lift,every standard braced,standards laced through under transoms on doubles(Aberdeen transom?) with check fittings on every standard.Total fittings 150!!!Now call me old fashioned but is that completely over the top?Of course it was designed by some design engineer who has never touched a scaffold in his life.God help us if we have to do a major support job!!!!!!!!!

15 Transoms in ours, 12 stds (10 boards wide) Aberdeens are the checks, do you mean you have to put checks under you Aberdeens as well ?

1969scaff said:

Just started a new site in Manchester,tube and fittings. everything done to drawings.Brickies lifts, progressive.Loading bay to take pack of brick or block plus tub of mortar;15 standards,12 transoms, locking lift,every standard braced,standards laced through under transoms on doubles(Aberdeen transom?) with check fittings on every standard.Total fittings 150!!!Now call me old fashioned but is that completely over the top?Of course it was designed by some design engineer who has never touched a scaffold in his life.God help us if we have to do a major support job!!!!!!!!!

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I agree mate.
Im working over Blackfriars Bridge in London atm and its the same here...

One job, is a 13ft x 13ft loading bay on a brickies lift for a max loading of about 2-3 ton.
It has in it about:
12 standards, with puncheons off 2 rows of ledgers, each with double check fittings.
Every standard has its own double to double cross bracing off the ledgers.
Each standard has aberdeens also.
Double plan bracing off each standard/puncheon and 15-ish trannies per lift, as well as being double boarded and ply fitted to the top lift.

It seems that the engineers employed on these jobs have either next to no Scaffolding experience or no faith in the Scaffolders/Scaffolding materials being used.

Either way i think that they'll be a job for a few of us in the future as Scaffolding Design Engineers, as the ones they have atm aint much cop, lol.

seems every designer just adds more and more tubing to a loading bay to cover there arses, however, more tubing = more weight which is transfered to point impact loading on the stds base.

The weakest point of the Loading bay is the Ground it stands on, so arnt these Generic Load bay designs, not fit for purpose as all locations differ. Ask for a new design for every plot, that might shut the daft ***** up.

Doesn't matter what the job is, as soon as you mention a design engineer you are talking over the top. We are always looking for ever alternative ways of naming a loading bay. So far a lay down area is favourite.

i hate system but haki loading bays eliminate all this b*llocks

paddy carr said:

15 Transoms in ours, 12 stds (10 boards wide) Aberdeens are the checks, do you mean you have to put checks under you Aberdeens as well ?

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Yes.Forgot to mention the boards,we usually do the same as you 10 boards,two bays five wide,for some reason this drawing has it as five and four,don't know the reason why.

1969scaff said:

Yes.Forgot to mention the boards,we usually do the same as you 10 boards,two bays five wide,for some reason this drawing has it as five and four,don't know the reason why.

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5+4 boards catches a 8ft used for transoms, 5+5 boards is a Fannies too short, we have to use 10ft Trannies, your yard might have more 8's than 10's.