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We were having a bit of banter earlier regarding the NASC and their refusal to acknowledge the legitamacy of ECITB cards , if were to do away with them and start a new organisation, what would we call the new organisation. I came up with the "Confederation of reliable access practitioners and scaffolders" or C.R.A.P.S for short, or what about the construction union of national tradesmen scaffolders , I'll let you work it out, we could have the "Affiliation of regulated scaffolding erectors". lets hear some more .
 
Steve Gregory has proposed a new founded 'Scaffolders confederaration' to try and get us a input in the regulation of Scaff consultation regarding issues regarding, current NASC initiatives.

Steve.

I dont want to p1ss on another mans toast, however, what do you think of encompassing the Confederation within the 'Committee for consultation rights'?

I speak of 1 for many, what are your views mate, and the CCR views ?

---------- Post added at 09:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:12 PM ----------

Ragscaff has made major inroads, which could be the start of a concern, regarding the 'Right to Consultation'

Regards
Paddy
 
We need to progress the 'Committee for consultation rights' I think it needs to be at the forfront!

It may grow into something that will help us all:blink1::wacko:

Ragscaff
 
Below in bold is the from the homepage of the NASC, you will notice on the second line the word "Guidance" how come this "Guidance " comes at such a cost, from the initial joining fee, to the various publications,to the training courses (approved by the NASC) to the new measures implemented by the NASC. Whilst I think the NASC probably started off with the right intention ,that being to regulate the industry and eliminate the cowboy element they have lost their way and become the self appointed governors of our trade.

The NASC is recognised as the national trade body for access and scaffolding in the UK, producing a wide range of industry guidance for scaffolding contractors, their operatives and their clients. (not free though is it)

Members of the NASC are strictly regulated to ensure a continuous high standard of scaffolding practice.

By understanding what to expect from an NASC member you can obtain a high level of reassurance that when you employ an NASC member to carry out scaffold work or supply scaffold equipment you are making an informed decision, you know what to expect, your expectations are met and of course ultimately you are making the right choice.
(according to who exactly)

The NASC are trying to put themselves into a position whereby we have to adopt their point of view at their cost, where companies have to join to get any work, where clients have to use an NASC approved contractor where the guy's doing the work i.e. the scaffolders have to have the qualifications that the NASC recognise and not the ones that have been ok for years.

This sounds like a big rant by me and I'm not opposed to a governing body at all I just don't think we have enough choice, who's to say that the ECITB cards not as good as the CISRS card ,the NASC and thats my point .We need competition, a different point of view to keep the NASC on their toes and their fees in check. Always remember they are nothing without us ,this is not reciprocated.

I would say that the NASC have made our industry more safe, more proffesional and thats a good thing, when I started there was no PPE, there were single handrails, no handrails at all under 2 m no handrails on loading bays very few designs for scaffolds (not sure if thats bad) scaffolding tickets given out based on time scaffolding not experience.

I don't think the NASC themselves have been responsible for changing the above,more like lessons learned did , but we needed a voice back then to speak for us, what we have now is a voice telling us and thats a very different thing !!
 
Below in bold is the from the homepage of the NASC, you will notice on the second line the word "Guidance" how come this "Guidance " comes at such a cost, from the initial joining fee, to the various publications,to the training courses (approved by the NASC) to the new measures implemented by the NASC. Whilst I think the NASC probably started off with the right intention ,that being to regulate the industry and eliminate the cowboy element they have lost their way and become the self appointed governors of our trade.

The NASC is recognised as the national trade body for access and scaffolding in the UK, producing a wide range of industry guidance for scaffolding contractors, their operatives and their clients. (not free though is it)

Members of the NASC are strictly regulated to ensure a continuous high standard of scaffolding practice.

By understanding what to expect from an NASC member you can obtain a high level of reassurance that when you employ an NASC member to carry out scaffold work or supply scaffold equipment you are making an informed decision, you know what to expect, your expectations are met and of course ultimately you are making the right choice.
(according to who exactly)

The NASC are trying to put themselves into a position whereby we have to adopt their point of view at their cost, where companies have to join to get any work, where clients have to use an NASC approved contractor where the guy's doing the work i.e. the scaffolders have to have the qualifications that the NASC recognise and not the ones that have been ok for years.

This sounds like a big rant by me and I'm not opposed to a governing body at all I just don't think we have enough choice, who's to say that the ECITB cards not as good as the CISRS card ,the NASC and thats my point .We need competition, a different point of view to keep the NASC on their toes and their fees in check. Always remember they are nothing without us ,this is not reciprocated.

I would say that the NASC have made our industry more safe, more proffesional and thats a good thing, when I started there was no PPE, there were single handrails, no handrails at all under 2 m no handrails on loading bays very few designs for scaffolds (not sure if thats bad) scaffolding tickets given out based on time scaffolding not experience.

I don't think the NASC themselves have been responsible for changing the above,more like lessons learned did , but we needed a voice back then to speak for us, what we have now is a voice telling us and thats a very different thing !!

they have improved safety to scaffolding but now they are going over the top and making impossible to erect a scaffold with all new safety
 
At least 50% of the NASC comimitee should have spent time on the spanners imho
 
Judging by what i've seen of them they've spen 50% of their time in the fridge, doesn't look like they could get up speed if they fell off the scaffolding.
 
Re paddys post

Sounds fine by me that paddy. I think we gunna have to meet at some point and all of us do something . SO AT THIS MOMENT WE ARE LOOKING FOR FINANCIAL BACKING or SPONSERSHIPS..

Any body intrested get in touch.
 
NASC Statement

A starting point would be fo the CCR to ask NASC to issue a statement on their website on the ECITB issue, see what the reaction is .
 
they dont play ball do they , its all bout the dough
 
Yea nice one ,then we know where we are going from there and can plan our stratergy accordingly. Might be worth one of the lads on here who has been told his ecitb card is usless seeking legal advice and having a day in court ,could set a precedent we could have a whip round on here ,set up a fund to pay for it.
 
go for it , bet they wont turn up to that anyway
 
An interesting letter from the construction news note the date


No scaffolder will be denied a card
1 November, 2001

LETTERS
Sir, THE RECENT letter from S Marples of Barnsley concerning the relationship between CISRS and ECITB scaffolder cards is totally inaccurate, both in fact and comment. The one correct statement in your correspondent's tirade is that the ECITB card will not be recognised by CISRS. Let me explain the reasons why:

The CISRS card has been a training-based record scheme for more than 25 years and has been aligned to the S/NVQ since 1996, thus adding competence assessment to a well proven training programme.

The ECITB card has, almost exclusively, been nothing more than a recorded database, with no link whatsoever to training or competence in either practical skills or health and safety.

Incidentally, the Engineering Construction Industry does have separate and excellent health and safety certification that is recognised by CISRS.

The CISRS has recognised that there was - and to a degree still is - a body of experienced scaffolders in the industry without formal training. An Assessed Route of Entry (ARE) was developed and introduced in 1995 specifically to address this problem. Since then 1,254 candidates have successfully completed this fast track route to obtaining a CISRS card.

These are the facts; but let me also expose some of your correspondent's other myths:

He writes that the move will 'exclude 45 per cent of the current certificated workforce'.

Actually, there are approximately 20,000 scaffolders in the UK of which 30 per cent are registered on the ECITB database. But half of these also hold CISRS Cards and so only 15 per cent of the workforce are in the potential exclusion category. This 15 per cent has access to the ARE mentioned above, which enables them to obtain a CISRS card at the appropriate level.

Rivalry between bodies.

ECITB/CITB/CISRS/ECIA have been in discussion for some time attempting to reach a resolution to this problem and we believe one is close. But such negotiations are never helped by ill-informed comment.

Grandfather rights.

CISRS terminated grandfather rights in 1979 and there is no conceivable reason for reinstating them at this time, when a full accredited training scheme is in place and there is the assessed route for experienced operatives.

'Get-rich quick'.

CISRS is a non-profit making body jointly owned by both sides of the industry. I am quite certain that the representatives from the trade union movement would be seriously offended by allegations that they were part of a 'scheme to get rich' at their members' expense.

Brian Houston Managing director Turner Plus Eight Glasgow
 
Not sure if steve marples is still working or had called it a day . I could go and pay a visit to there Bri's to find out. and if he still has this letter. Then nice 1 podger.last time I worked with these 2was conoco at immingham.
Somehow I bet the terminologly gets twisted so they worm there way out of this.
I personally think it's a union matter at this stage . If you get the union backing then they will bring the lawyers in.
I have a number somewhere for a firm in London where they specialise in employment law. Let me dig it out and I'll post it on later.
Remember everybody gets a free hour and if ya unemployed then you'll get legal aid.

I personally would be having a swipe at the scaffold companies who have neglected paying out for development of their emplyees aswell. come on hertel and dsl don't make any money really do they. Lol.

Even vange has been putting lads through courses recently before they went tits up.

Personally these firms have left ya high and dry aswell.
 
EMW Picton Howell law in Milton Keynes and London have a whole department dedicated to dispute resolution and Employment law and the first hour is free.I have used them and they are very good .
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