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Send your correspondence to the NASC directly to the President, his name is Bob Whincap and he is the MD of Rotor Scaffold Services.

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Is it just me or are we missing something here ? What the f**k has this got to do with NASC the CITB deliver scaffolding training courses at there own construction collages or via CITB accredited training centers such as UTN.

Surely it must be the CITB who set the criteria for Instructor qualification and hold the registration data base not NASC who are only a trade organization !
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Is it just me or are we missing something here ? What the f**k has this got to do with NASC the CITB deliver scaffolding training courses at there own construction collages or via CITB accredited training centers such as UTN.

Surely it must be the CITB who set the criteria for Instructor qualification and hold the registration data base not NASC who are only a trade organization !
The whole scenario will be dreamt up in consultation with NASC and their Training Commitee, same as TG20 and SG4 both drafted and put forward to HSE & CITB by the NASC which then have become an accepted code of practice.

Same route as Scaffolder Training....More Courses for Lads = More £££ for Training Establishments who by coincidence (Not) sit on the NASC Committees, they are not going to propose less training are they!!??.

Can you see the pattern my friend.
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has anyone got a email address for it?
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OR is the alternative to create a NEW Association ???

Garry...
What a bloody great idea

hmmmmmmmmmmm
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The whole scenario will be dreamt up in consultation with NASC and their Training Commitee, same as TG20 and SG4 both drafted and put forward to HSE & CITB by the NASC which then have become an accepted code of practice.

Same route as Scaffolder Training....More Courses for Lads = More £££ for Training Establishments who by coincidence (Not) sit on the NASC Committees, they are not going to propose less training are they!!??.

Can you see the pattern my friend.
I do understand that NASC like to be the puppet masters in our industry and have taken it upon themselves to issue its members "guidance" to comply with new legislation WAR 2005 (SG4) and the revision of BS5973 to comply with BS-EN12811-1 in the from of TG:20 . HSE in consultation with NASC then adopt said "guidance" as "best practice" and this in turn creates the need for more operative training as an arse covering exercise .

PW I enjoy reading your informative posts offering an a senior management perspective on issues/discussions, on the Standardization of Pavement License Thread I was surprised to learn via one of your posts NASC only has 170 members out 1000,s of scaffold company's in the UK.

Out of these company's how many pay the CITB levy ? I would suggest far more than 170. CITB should be accountable to the levy payers not NASC

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well i spoke to bob yesterday.(nice chap on the phone)
I asked 5 issue's heres his reply...
1 - been told that the instructors cards are being removed? reply That is correct I dont want to say much more at this stage until I've spoken with Dave mosley.
2 - been told that the teaching criteria is being altered. you now have to take 12 part 1's before I can shadow a part 2 then take 12 part 2's before shadowing an advanced course.Is this correct? It was going to be but there has been alot concern raised by training centre's so we are looking at reducing this..... What to I replyed...he replyed .....Not sure at this time.
3 was a question for myself
4 - Something about all instuctors/assessors being kept on a database. Except only Dave Mosley has access to this and not training companies. How are they supposed to know im teaching? I carnt answer that at this time until Dave is back from Holiday but everything will be set out in the new CAT book that will be issued shortly.
5 - How do I prove that im able to teach part 1's at the moment. When all I have is my pptls certs my shadowing cert and my Advanced Cisrs card and my A1 assessor award. I carnt answer that question at this time until again ive spoken to dave after his holiday....

I promise I will get dave to phone you upon his return after his holiday in a fortnight.

so as u can see too many chiefs and not enough indians....



Its going to be very bleek for any instructor who is freelance.. Instuctors will only be put on the database when they are working for a accredited centre only.

---------- Post added at 07:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 AM ----------

I just loved podger's post.......
WHY NOT
let the industry tell nasc/citb what we want........
about time something was done and fast....

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PW I enjoy reading your informative posts offering an a senior management perspective on issues/discussions, on the Standardization of Pavement License Thread I was surprised to learn via one of your posts NASC only has 170 members out 1000,s of scaffold company's in the UK.
I do apologise, my figures are incorrect their membership is now up to 210 member companies, I was basing 170 on 2008 numbers. Text lift directly from their site.

Despite the NASC’s strict membership criteria numbers within the confederation are healthy. The NASC’s current membership stands at 210 member companies, equating to almost 15,000 scaffolders throughout the UK. Research earlier in the year highlighted that you can find an NASC member in every corner of the UK and that 35% of NASC membership works on domestic work such as scaffolding a house.
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Further industry research indicates that the NASC membership in total equates to over 75% of the annual spend on scaffolding.
Only because of the fact they have the few remaining huge Scaffolding Companies as Members

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In 2009 there were 65 companies apply to join the NASC. Out of those 65 companies only 9 actually met the standard required and joined the confederation resulting in a surprising low conversion rate of 11%, from those that initially applied.
Call me an old cynic but at £500.00 an application (Non refundable of course) that equates to £28'000.00, does it actually cost this sum to process an application?? hmmmmmm, I'll leave you to make your mind up.
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that makes a very intresting read cheers.

so lets get our heads together......time they woke up to reality....
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the guys who have done the sg4 and the tg20 are good mates with dave mosley and i bet they not got any propper expierience in the scaffold game
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