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Ash,

I think your original point is a good one. The only practical issue I would see is time.. Everyone who is decent is busy, we plan work for our team 2-3 weeks ahead usually, so dropping off to do a check may be tricky at short notice.. but then, an hour is easily fitted in.

Having said that, if you spend the time to teach people (checking engineers) the basics (and thats all a decent engineer needs to understand the principles of the design) then they will appreciate your effort - what comes around, goes around!

On the second point.. we use Excel, beampal and CADS A3D, the later only rarely as its just not commercially viable (or necessary) for every job.

When I started everything was hand written, then we moved everything to excel (I sold my shares in tipex) and things have gotten gradually more and more complex with macros and VB programming to make them quicker and easier. Wind to Eurocode for example - we spent a lot of time developing an excel sheet to to this (not a fan of dumbed down TG20 option).. and its worth every minute.
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BMB, I see your point, I have previously built up decent relationships with engineers who have been used repeatedly to check work, Which has always gone well later on down the line.

The gripe i usually have is when i spend a fair amount of time on a design only for it to be repeatedly beefed up and commented on by an engineer who doesn't really have a clue and is reading what he interprets out of TG20. (my personal favorite being an engineer who wanted a DDA compliant Staircase)

I will quite happily spend a few minutes explaining a few design principles, and explaining certain parts of a design if it saves me a few hours work and therefore my clients a few hours cost.

Also you should have bought yourself a Pencil, Ha, We do have a fair few spreadsheets for working out Set pieces of Scaffold such as independents and loading bays, However for either bespoke work or 'High Ranking' Clients such as Network Rail or Debut, They usually ask for Hand Calculations, So it's never been a skill I've wanted to go slack. and my mother always told me practice makes perfect.

However Thank-you for your input and if you ever come across a design of mine, feelfree to make a few comments and fire it back, I aim to continue to learn.
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The usual comments I get from third party checks is "I wouldn't have used 2.6 megasplats, I would have used 3 megasplats." And little things like that. It's companies own in-house engineers that I usually have to spend a bit of time with.

It's not so much that they don't know how to calculate; they've just haven't had enough time spent with them on what to calculate.
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Not only do they need to check the scaffold design but also they need to ensure that the loads imposed by the scaffold design can be taken by the ground, structure or whatever the design is to be built/slung from etc.... for this reason it can be assumed that it must be checked by the client who is in possession of the necessary drawings etc....
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Can't say I mind the whole design checking process - good engineers stand out a mile and if they have anything to say then they probably have a point.

What irritates me is the effort and professionalism in the process that goes in to getting the design checked and approved before starting on site and then nobody gives a hoot to what is actually erected!

What's the point!
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Can't say I mind the whole design checking process - good engineers stand out a mile and if they have anything to say then they probably have a point.

What irritates me is the effort and professionalism in the process that goes in to getting the design checked and approved before starting on site and then nobody gives a hoot to what is actually erected!

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